Talk:United Kingdom/Catalogs/Political subdivisions and dependencies

Article Checklist for "United Kingdom/Catalogs/Political subdivisions and dependencies"

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Historical subdivisions

Perhaps this article should list the subdivisions of each of the four constituent kingdoms? This gets complicated - England is historically divided into counties; there are modern adminstrative counties plus London, which don't share the same borders, and there are the nine regions, which I think are clusters of the adminstrative counties. The historical counties have apparently never been abolished, so they should be listed, if only to preserve the glory that was Rutland. Anthony Argyriou 20:01, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

"Perhaps this article should list the subdivisions of each of the four constituent kingdoms?" - Using a tier system so that the articles mirror the structure of the country they are describing. This article breaks the UK down into one level of control below central government. Technically that's Scotland, Wales, 9 Regions and 6 counties since there is no England and (currently) no Northern Ireland as administrative subdivisions. But I'm willing to pretend England and NI exist for the moment.

I conceive of four more articles called something like Regions of England, Council Areas of Scotland, Counties of Wales and Counties of Northern Ireland where the second tier of government can be broken down and described. In Scotland, there's not much smaller than Council Areas, but in England you would break the 9 Regions down into Counties and other divisions as required.

"The historical counties have apparently never been abolished" - There is a difference between abolished and used and then used for what purpose? Many historical boundaries are only used ceremonially. I feel for the Gazetteer we should stick to present divisions. Another article could deal with historical divisions of England. Such a history article would be quite interesting, I could write the one for Scotland but not the English or Irish one. However, to mix the historical and the present together would probably only serve to confuse people who are not form the UK and don't understand our Country's structure.

I should also mention that I have listed this by Administrative divisions. The purpose is simply to make a Gazetteer that covers all of the UK. The a Gazetteer for the whole of England. It's not to list all the combinations of possible ways to split up the country, but rather to provide a tool to research the structure and geography of the country as it is now. There are other ways to divide the country that may justify their own articles such as UK parliament Constituencies or police division areas and so on.

I'd also like to start on a Gazetteer of Cities of the United Kingdom. Though, I don't think CZ is ready yet to go as deep as towns and villages (yet). - Derek Harkness 20:53, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

Guernsey

You might want to add about 1780 to your population figure for the Bailiwick of Guernsey since your island figure will exclude about 630 for Sark and about 1150 for Alderney. Wahib Frank 15:19, 12 May 2007 (CDT)

Done so, but you may want to check the figures and sources. The numbers I found are different form your numbers. I used the gov.gg sites, if you know a better source, then please point us to it. Derek Harkness 20:34, 12 May 2007 (CDT)