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:That's why I said in the edit summary that, if any evidence can be found for the existence of the pronunciation hay-dron or hey-dron, it should nevertheless be treated as a comparatively rare alternative. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] 10:32, 6 September 2011 (UTC) | :That's why I said in the edit summary that, if any evidence can be found for the existence of the pronunciation hay-dron or hey-dron, it should nevertheless be treated as a comparatively rare alternative. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] 10:32, 6 September 2011 (UTC) | ||
::Hi Peter: Sorry, I didn't catch on that you objected to this pronunciation, and thought you objected to how it was portrayed. I'd simply adopted this formulation from [http://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=pronounced+hay-dron+%22hadr+in+Greek%22&num=10 a technical source] I had read without looking into it further. I thought [http://www.google.com/search?q=Leonard+Susskind&hl=en&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=images&tbs= Leonard Susskind] was pretty authoritative. He provides both hay-dronj and had-ron, seemingly suggesting hay-dron is more common by placing it first. His etymology ''hadr'' appears to be his own. | ::Hi Peter: Sorry, I didn't catch on that you objected to this pronunciation, and thought you objected to how it was portrayed. I'd simply adopted this formulation from [http://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=pronounced+hay-dron+%22hadr+in+Greek%22&num=10 a technical source] I had read without looking into it further. I thought [http://www.google.com/search?q=Leonard+Susskind&hl=en&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=images&tbs= Leonard Susskind] was pretty authoritative. He provides both hay-dronj and had-ron, seemingly suggesting hay-dron is more common by placing it first. It also is his own pronunciation as in [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SiGujnfDVc&feature=relmfu this YouTube interview] with him. His etymology ''hadr'' appears to be his own. | ||
::Now that I have got the point, I looked at the available pronunciation schemes on the web. The source [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hadron Dictionary.com] says the correct phonetic version is had·ron /ˈhædrɒn/ [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hadron Wikidictionary] says the IPA is /ˈhæd.ɹɑn/ and also provides a different etymology: hadros, “thick”, which agrees with [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hadron Merriam Webster]. The sounding at [http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=hadron howjsay] sounds to me like had-ron, but that at [http://www.forvo.com/word/hadron/ Forvo] definitely sounds like the shorter ''ae'' sound as in ''head ron'', and accords with the IPA designation. | ::Now that I have got the point, I looked at the available pronunciation schemes on the web. The source [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hadron Dictionary.com] says the correct phonetic version is had·ron /ˈhædrɒn/ [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hadron Wikidictionary] says the IPA is /ˈhæd.ɹɑn/ and also provides a different etymology: hadros, “thick”, which agrees with [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hadron Merriam Webster]. The sounding at [http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=hadron howjsay] sounds to me like had-ron, but that at [http://www.forvo.com/word/hadron/ Forvo] definitely sounds like the shorter ''ae'' sound as in ''head ron'', and accords with the IPA designation. | ||
::There is the possibility that the dictionary version is not typical of high-energy physicists, but I don't know that. This [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQNpucos9wc YouTube discussion] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPEGwrdhvA0&feature=related this one] use had-ron, and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPxYdObyJ2A&feature=related this one] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSxlDEiFGcE&feature=related this one] use hay-dron. I'd suggest we adopt both à la Susskind but drop his etymology? [[User:John R. Brews|John R. Brews]] 16:22, 6 September 2011 (UTC) | ::There is the possibility that the dictionary version is not typical of high-energy physicists, but I don't know that. This [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQNpucos9wc YouTube discussion] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPEGwrdhvA0&feature=related this one] use had-ron, and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPxYdObyJ2A&feature=related this one] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSxlDEiFGcE&feature=related this one] use hay-dron. I'd suggest we adopt both à la Susskind but drop his etymology? [[User:John R. Brews|John R. Brews]] 16:22, 6 September 2011 (UTC) |
Revision as of 10:25, 6 September 2011
Pronunciation of "hadron"
The purpose of supplying the suggestion that hadron is pronounced hay-dron is to emphasize the ay sound. Saying the pronunciation is had-ron does not accomplish this goal. According to this web site the long "a" in English Phonetics is represented by "EY". Accordingly, I have modified the pronunciation guide. John R. Brews 12:47, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
- According to the following dictionaries, it's pronounced had-ron, not hay-dron or hey-dron.
- Chambers
- Merriam-Webster
- Collins
- Oxford
- American Heritage
- McGraw-Hill Dictionary of Scientific and Technological Terms
- That's why I said in the edit summary that, if any evidence can be found for the existence of the pronunciation hay-dron or hey-dron, it should nevertheless be treated as a comparatively rare alternative. Peter Jackson 10:32, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- Hi Peter: Sorry, I didn't catch on that you objected to this pronunciation, and thought you objected to how it was portrayed. I'd simply adopted this formulation from a technical source I had read without looking into it further. I thought Leonard Susskind was pretty authoritative. He provides both hay-dronj and had-ron, seemingly suggesting hay-dron is more common by placing it first. It also is his own pronunciation as in this YouTube interview with him. His etymology hadr appears to be his own.
- Now that I have got the point, I looked at the available pronunciation schemes on the web. The source Dictionary.com says the correct phonetic version is had·ron /ˈhædrɒn/ Wikidictionary says the IPA is /ˈhæd.ɹɑn/ and also provides a different etymology: hadros, “thick”, which agrees with Merriam Webster. The sounding at howjsay sounds to me like had-ron, but that at Forvo definitely sounds like the shorter ae sound as in head ron, and accords with the IPA designation.
- There is the possibility that the dictionary version is not typical of high-energy physicists, but I don't know that. This YouTube discussion and this one use had-ron, and this one and this one use hay-dron. I'd suggest we adopt both à la Susskind but drop his etymology? John R. Brews 16:22, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
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