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I learned about the phrase "Journalism is the first rough draft of history" when an Argentinian TV show used it as an epigraph to each episode. It was, there, attributed to Bill Kovach, not to Graham. | I learned about the phrase "Journalism is the first rough draft of history" when an Argentinian TV show used it as an epigraph to each episode. It was, there, attributed to Bill Kovach, not to Graham. | ||
Maybe the show producers were misinformed, and I haven't seen it cited in any more credible source. But I hope someone here will be able to confirm or discard the attribution. | Maybe the show producers were misinformed, and I haven't seen it cited in any more credible source. But I hope someone here will be able to confirm or discard the attribution. {{unsignedshort|Sebastián Lalaurette}}, 5 July 2007 | ||
: I'm not certain who made this (unsigned) point, and I don't mean to disparage Bill Kovach (or anyone else who has ever used this phrase), but it is my understanding that Philip Graham (most widely known after his death as Kathyrn Graham's husband) is the most commonly cited source for this quip in the U.S., including by a number of compilations of quotations. (E.g., [http://www.bartleby.com/63/9/8109.html Simpson's Quotations] and [http://www.bartleby.com/cgi-bin/texis/webinator/sitesearch?FILTER=col66&query=First+rough+draft+of+history&x=9&y=11 Columbia Quotations]). Just to shore things up, I'll include the full statement cited in the Simpson entry in a footnote here. | |||
::[[User:Roger Lohmann|Roger Lohmann]] 17:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
==Combined with 'Journalism, History'== | |||
The Related Articles and Bibliography sections of this entry have been imported from a separate entry entitled "Journalism, history" and that separate page suite deleted. Now, this article needs a real section on the history of journalism, probably beginning with the broadsides. | |||
::[[User:Roger Lohmann|Roger Lohmann]] 12:32, 4 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
==Definition Too Narrow?== | |||
The opening statement of this entry defines journalism as "writing about" events, but then the entry goes on to discuss "broadcast journalism" (which seems to be more a case of "talking about" things). We need to figure out some way to open that definition up a bit. Any suggestions? | |||
::[[User:Roger Lohmann|Roger Lohmann]] 16:55, 4 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
==Too Long?== | |||
The Edit version of the main entry page also now spawns the notice that the article exceeds 32K, and there are still numerous things that need to be added here. Thus, a measure of creativity seems to be called for in moving some of the content onto other pages. | |||
::[[User:Roger Lohmann|Roger Lohmann]] 16:55, 4 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 11:11, 4 May 2009
Biasness
I noticed this unusual word "biasness" added to the article. It's not in various dictionaries (see: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/biasness) but I see in Google that it is used in pages from India and south Asia.
Well, I'd like to suggest that the word is "bias," as in "Bias is a big problem in campaign reporting," etc. Unless we want to tag this article (at the beginning) "Indian English"! No disrespect, I just thought it was an interesting word! --Larry Sanger 02:40, 15 November 2006 (CST)
"First rough draft" attribution
I would like to point out this, but please consider I have a very weak element to do it. Take it as a research suggestion and not as a correction.
I learned about the phrase "Journalism is the first rough draft of history" when an Argentinian TV show used it as an epigraph to each episode. It was, there, attributed to Bill Kovach, not to Graham.
Maybe the show producers were misinformed, and I haven't seen it cited in any more credible source. But I hope someone here will be able to confirm or discard the attribution. ...said Sebastián Lalaurette (talk) , 5 July 2007
- I'm not certain who made this (unsigned) point, and I don't mean to disparage Bill Kovach (or anyone else who has ever used this phrase), but it is my understanding that Philip Graham (most widely known after his death as Kathyrn Graham's husband) is the most commonly cited source for this quip in the U.S., including by a number of compilations of quotations. (E.g., Simpson's Quotations and Columbia Quotations). Just to shore things up, I'll include the full statement cited in the Simpson entry in a footnote here.
- Roger Lohmann 17:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Combined with 'Journalism, History'
The Related Articles and Bibliography sections of this entry have been imported from a separate entry entitled "Journalism, history" and that separate page suite deleted. Now, this article needs a real section on the history of journalism, probably beginning with the broadsides.
- Roger Lohmann 12:32, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Definition Too Narrow?
The opening statement of this entry defines journalism as "writing about" events, but then the entry goes on to discuss "broadcast journalism" (which seems to be more a case of "talking about" things). We need to figure out some way to open that definition up a bit. Any suggestions?
- Roger Lohmann 16:55, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Too Long?
The Edit version of the main entry page also now spawns the notice that the article exceeds 32K, and there are still numerous things that need to be added here. Thus, a measure of creativity seems to be called for in moving some of the content onto other pages.
- Roger Lohmann 16:55, 4 May 2009 (UTC)