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== Welcome Aboard ==
I'm fairly new here myself, with maybe a weeks worth of edits under my belt. I just wanted to be the first (besides those pesky account creators) to welcome you to Citizendium.[[User:Drew R. Smith|Drew R. Smith]] 20:07, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Thank you! But do not expect me to deal with aquarium fish :-) [[User:Boris Tsirelson|Boris Tsirelson]] 20:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
::As long as you don't expect me to deal with math ;-) Did you come from The Other Place™, or is this your first wiki experience?[[User:Drew R. Smith|Drew R. Smith]] 20:27, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:::If it is an euphemism for Wikipedia, then the answer is "yes"; thust visit (again) my [[User:Boris Tsirelson|home]]. [[User:Boris Tsirelson|Boris Tsirelson]] 20:34, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Привет Борис, приятно Вас увидеть здесь. В случае проблем с местными процедурами или шаблонами, спросите у тех, кто на сайте (участники постараются быть вежливыми, обычно успешно), или прямо в [http://forum.citizendium.org/ Форуме]. С улыбкой, --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 06:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Thank you. However I wonder, is it polite enough to speak Russian here? [[User:Boris Tsirelson|Boris Tsirelson]] 08:17, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::My understanding is that as long as the content of the message can be understood by all concerned with it, you can use whatever language you like. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 08:26, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello, Boris. It is a pleasure to welcome you here.  [[User:Aleksander Stos|Aleksander Stos]] 13:30, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
== On doubts ==
'''Do you ''actually'' intend to do significant work on the article sometime in the next hour?'''  If not, don't upload it, or not until you actually want to start working on it.  We are ''not'' creating a mirror of Wikipedia here.  If you merely want your brilliant work on Wikipedia to be reprinted in another, more credible source, then you must make up your mind: are you really going to maintain and develop the article here on the ''Citizendium'' or not?  If not, stick with Wikipedia. (A quote from [[CZ:How to convert Wikipedia articles to Citizendium articles]])
I am astonished. Even commercial scientific journals do not insist that a journal article must differ from its preprint in the arXiv. In order to differ from the archive it is sufficient for a journal to be more selective. Likewise, in order to differ from Wikipedia it is sufficient for Citizendium to be more selective.
Is it a decent goal, never mirror Wikipedia? Or rather jealousy? Maybe I shall indeed stick with Wikipedia.
Thanks for the feedback. I [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=CZ:How_to_convert_Wikipedia_articles_to_Citizendium_articles&curid=100001126&diff=100515020&oldid=100407161 tried to rephrase that policy page], such that it makes more sense. Some noteworthy differences between Wikipedia entries and arxiv preprints include that the latter are written with a coherent narrative about original research by a few experts for other experts, with no or few hyperlinks to freely available explanations of concepts that provide the context for understanding. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 08:52, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:Nice. This version sounds better for me. Now I feel astonished, however, that you just modify a policy. In Wikipedia, to modify a policy is quite a problem; a consensus must be reached between a lot of editors on the talk page before even a small change. Are you sure that others agree with your new formulation? [[User:Boris Tsirelson|Boris Tsirelson]] 09:23, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
::I didn't modify the policy, just tried to distill it down onto that policy page from my experience of about one year at the site. The best way to get feedback on such issues are the forums, so I started a [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,2727.0.html new thread there]. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 09:53, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:What I really had in mind are Wikipedia articles made by myself (with quite small changes by others), that are written with a coherent narrative (I hope so!), for instance [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Borel_set. And of course I would be ready to improve it here if some critique appears. But the policy required me to criticize myself as a precondition! [[User:Boris Tsirelson|Boris Tsirelson]] 09:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
::This is covered at [[CZ:How to convert Wikipedia articles to Citizendium articles#Are you the main author of that Wikipedia article?]]. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 09:53, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

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