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Haven't we had this discussion (argument) over and over elsewhere about whether the Kingston Trio are the [[Kingston Trio]] or The Kingston Trio? And that it was decided, including in the long http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Proposals/Naming_Conventions_for_Biographies that the "the" would NOT be capitalized. So shouldn't the article be Moved to [[Rolling Stones]]? And other changes made? I *know* that you argue for this point of view over at our Competition, Oh Noble Rheault! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 17:47, 16 May 2010 (UTC) | Haven't we had this discussion (argument) over and over elsewhere about whether the Kingston Trio are the [[Kingston Trio]] or The Kingston Trio? And that it was decided, including in the long http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Proposals/Naming_Conventions_for_Biographies that the "the" would NOT be capitalized. So shouldn't the article be Moved to [[Rolling Stones]]? And other changes made? I *know* that you argue for this point of view over at our Competition, Oh Noble Rheault! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 17:47, 16 May 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Yes, it was the 'The' business that had me visiting this article today. The remaining question is indeed, do we title the articles with or without 'the'? For redirects can always be created. I'm inclined towards de-the-ing them, but if we are to be entirely consistent, that will produce some rather odd article titles, such as [[Band]] and [[Who]]. | |||
:Previewing that, I see that [[Band]] already links, unsurprisingly. So the Band will have to be [[the Band]], that's for sure! But I see no reason not to have the [[Who]] so titled, unless there is to be an article about the word 'who', which I doubt. [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 18:01, 16 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
::Hmmm, wheels within wheels within wheels! Tell ya what, lemme do some New York Times searching for the various names you mention above and see how *they* deal with them. I *know* that the NYT always writes "the Kingston Trio". More later. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 18:17, 16 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
:There's no problem about the capitalisation any more, just whether to include the 'The' in the title - not a very important consideration, but there needs to be consistency. I like [[Kingston Trio]] as the title, because we don't need a redirect from the version with 'the'/'The'. But 'the Band' has to be an exception, and, to judge from the fanatics at Wikipedia, and you only need one to arrive here in the disguise of apparent respectability, someone will insist on 'The Who' as the name of ''their'' article, which we'll need to have a redirect to so that we can type 'the [[Who]]'. [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 18:28, 16 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
::NYT results: "the Rolling Stones"; "the Band"; "The Who" and "the Who". So now what? [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 18:37, 16 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Et voilà! There are ('''T'''he) Who fanatics at the NYT too. [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 19:14, 16 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
::Well, "Who's on first?" is my absolute last word on the subject! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 19:39, 16 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 13:39, 16 May 2010
Disambiguation
There is a Robert Heinlein book, by the same name, which preceded it; it has (book). Can't remember if it's a lemma or redlink, but it's in Related Article for Heinlein. Howard C. Berkowitz 14:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Are you suggesting the book is more notable than the band, Howard? Meg Ireland 14:45, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Personal opinions
There are some reviewer-style opinions presented as facts in this article: see Goat's Head Soup and It's Only Rock and Roll. Ro Thorpe 17:23, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
The The
Haven't we had this discussion (argument) over and over elsewhere about whether the Kingston Trio are the Kingston Trio or The Kingston Trio? And that it was decided, including in the long http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Proposals/Naming_Conventions_for_Biographies that the "the" would NOT be capitalized. So shouldn't the article be Moved to Rolling Stones? And other changes made? I *know* that you argue for this point of view over at our Competition, Oh Noble Rheault! Hayford Peirce 17:47, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, it was the 'The' business that had me visiting this article today. The remaining question is indeed, do we title the articles with or without 'the'? For redirects can always be created. I'm inclined towards de-the-ing them, but if we are to be entirely consistent, that will produce some rather odd article titles, such as Band and Who.
- Previewing that, I see that Band already links, unsurprisingly. So the Band will have to be the Band, that's for sure! But I see no reason not to have the Who so titled, unless there is to be an article about the word 'who', which I doubt. Ro Thorpe 18:01, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
- Hmmm, wheels within wheels within wheels! Tell ya what, lemme do some New York Times searching for the various names you mention above and see how *they* deal with them. I *know* that the NYT always writes "the Kingston Trio". More later. Hayford Peirce 18:17, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
- There's no problem about the capitalisation any more, just whether to include the 'The' in the title - not a very important consideration, but there needs to be consistency. I like Kingston Trio as the title, because we don't need a redirect from the version with 'the'/'The'. But 'the Band' has to be an exception, and, to judge from the fanatics at Wikipedia, and you only need one to arrive here in the disguise of apparent respectability, someone will insist on 'The Who' as the name of their article, which we'll need to have a redirect to so that we can type 'the Who'. Ro Thorpe 18:28, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
- NYT results: "the Rolling Stones"; "the Band"; "The Who" and "the Who". So now what? Hayford Peirce 18:37, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
- Et voilà! There are (The) Who fanatics at the NYT too. Ro Thorpe 19:14, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
- Well, "Who's on first?" is my absolute last word on the subject! Hayford Peirce 19:39, 16 May 2010 (UTC)