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{{WPauthor|http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title{{=}}Dissident_Irish_Republican_campaign&diff{{=}}next&oldid{{=}}441766844|[[User:Jonathan N Chapple|Jonathan N Chapple]] 16:24, 2 January 2012 (UTC)}}
{{WPauthor|http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title{{=}}Dissident_Irish_Republican_campaign&diff{{=}}next&oldid{{=}}441766844|[[User:Jonathan N Chapple|Jonathan N Chapple]] 16:24, 2 January 2012 (UTC)}}


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:::I don't think you can. It's probably just the way the wiki software works. Anyway, if it's just about justifying yourself under the EC resolution I'm not going to bother myself with it. They can if they like.
:::I don't think you can. It's probably just the way the wiki software works. Anyway, if it's just about justifying yourself under the EC resolution I'm not going to bother myself with it. They can if they like.


What I will now comment on is the neutrality of the article. It seems to me rather one-sided in its talk of British rule. A couple of points for the other side:
:::What I will now comment on is the neutrality of the article. It seems to me rather one-sided in its talk of British rule. A couple of points for the other side:
 
:::#In 1914 the British Parliament agreed to a devolved Irish Parliament, though this was postponed because of the war. In 1920 it passed an act establishing a Parliament for the 26 counties, with power over everything other than defence, foreign affairs (including international trade), honours, currency, copyright and a few minor odds and ends.
:::#At least 4 of the 6 counties wanted to stay in the UK, not to be part of the IFS. (The other 2 were borderline.)
 
:::I'm not sure how best to proceed. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] 18:20, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 
:::A different point. I heard that one of the 2 dissident republican groups (I forget which) is no longer demanding a united Ireland, only "Brits out", accepting an independent North. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] 18:23, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
::::Hi Peter. Thanks for the input. Please do feel free to add in the points you made, it's just a brief overview of the situation I copied over from Wikipedia, and in fact was re-written over there for being too pro-British/anti-republican (read into that what you will). I deliberately didn't mention Southern Ireland at the time as it's only a few paragraphs and thought that might have been overkill, but didn't realise I hadn't included that Northern Ireland opted out by its own request. That's an essential.
::::Can you remember where you heard that one of the groups would accept an independent Ulster? That's a pretty significant deviation from traditional republicanism! [[User:Jonathan N Chapple|Jonathan N Chapple]] 10:20, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


#In 1914 the British Parliament agreed to a devolved Irish Parliament, though this was postponed because of the war. In 1920 it passed an act establishing a Parliament for the 26 counties, with power over everything other than defence, foreign affairs (including international trade), honours, currency, copyright and a few minor odds and ends.
:::::Unfortunately I can't remember. It may well have been the BBC.
#At least 4 of the 6 counties wanted to stay in the UK, not to be part of the IFS. (The other 2 were borderline.)


I'm not sure hwo best to proceed. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] 18:20, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::I'll continue to think about possible wordings. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] 10:56, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

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Jonathan N Chapple 16:24, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
That diff is rather confusing and unclear. Peter Jackson 11:17, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
Is it? Sorry, it's the first time I've done this. It's supposed to show that I added the content contained in this article to that Wikipedia page. Could you tell me how to correct it? Jonathan N Chapple 13:17, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
I don't think you can. It's probably just the way the wiki software works. Anyway, if it's just about justifying yourself under the EC resolution I'm not going to bother myself with it. They can if they like.
What I will now comment on is the neutrality of the article. It seems to me rather one-sided in its talk of British rule. A couple of points for the other side:
  1. In 1914 the British Parliament agreed to a devolved Irish Parliament, though this was postponed because of the war. In 1920 it passed an act establishing a Parliament for the 26 counties, with power over everything other than defence, foreign affairs (including international trade), honours, currency, copyright and a few minor odds and ends.
  2. At least 4 of the 6 counties wanted to stay in the UK, not to be part of the IFS. (The other 2 were borderline.)
I'm not sure how best to proceed. Peter Jackson 18:20, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
A different point. I heard that one of the 2 dissident republican groups (I forget which) is no longer demanding a united Ireland, only "Brits out", accepting an independent North. Peter Jackson 18:23, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Hi Peter. Thanks for the input. Please do feel free to add in the points you made, it's just a brief overview of the situation I copied over from Wikipedia, and in fact was re-written over there for being too pro-British/anti-republican (read into that what you will). I deliberately didn't mention Southern Ireland at the time as it's only a few paragraphs and thought that might have been overkill, but didn't realise I hadn't included that Northern Ireland opted out by its own request. That's an essential.
Can you remember where you heard that one of the groups would accept an independent Ulster? That's a pretty significant deviation from traditional republicanism! Jonathan N Chapple 10:20, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately I can't remember. It may well have been the BBC.
I'll continue to think about possible wordings. Peter Jackson 10:56, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
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