Talk:Acceleration due to gravity: Difference between revisions
imported>Roger Moore (New page: The gravitational field given is that of a point mass (or a spherical mass outside the radius of the object). The field of an oblate spheroid is not the same as that of a sphere and can ca...) |
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== Can we simplify it a bit? == | |||
This part of the article seems to repeat essentially the same equation twice: | |||
"<font color=blue > ... is given by: | |||
:<math>\vec g = -G \frac{M}{r^2} \frac{\vec{r}}{r}</math> | |||
The magnitude of the acceleration is <math>g = GM/r^2</math>, with [[SI]] units of [[meter]]s per [[second]] squared. | |||
Here ''G'' is the universal gravitational constant, ''G'' = 6.67428×10<sup>−11</sup> Nm<sup>2</sup>/kg<sup>2</sup>,<ref> Source: [http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?bg|search_for=Gravitational CODATA 2006, retrieved 2/24/08 from NIST website]</ref> <math>\vec r</math> is the position of the test object in the field relative to the centre of mass ''M'', and ''r'' is the magnitude (length) of <math>\vec{r}</math>.</font>" | |||
I realize that the equation <math>\vec g = -G \frac{M}{r^2} \frac{\vec{r}}{r}</math> includes all of the conventions used by physicists and mathematicians, but it simply confuses those of us who are not physicists and mathematicians. Can we not simplify it thus: | |||
"<font color=blue> ... is given by: | |||
:<math>g = GM/r^2</math>, with [[SI]] units of [[meter]]s per [[second]] squared. | |||
''G'' is the universal gravitational constant = 6.67428×10<sup>−11</sup> Nm<sup>2</sup>/kg<sup>2</sup>,<ref> Source: [http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?bg|search_for=Gravitational CODATA 2006, retrieved 2/24/08 from NIST website]</ref> and r is the distance between the test object and the centre of mass ''M''.</font>" | |||
Those of us who are not physicists or mathematicians would find it much easier to understand if it were simplified as proposed. - [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 03:18, 26 February 2008 (CST) |
Revision as of 03:18, 26 February 2008
The gravitational field given is that of a point mass (or a spherical mass outside the radius of the object). The field of an oblate spheroid is not the same as that of a sphere and can cannot depend solely on the distance from the centre of the spheroid since the distribution of mass inside the spheroid (which generates the field) is important so there must be some dependence on the major and minor axes e.g. if I sit on the major axis (theta=0) and increase the minor axis there will be zero change in the gravitational field according to the article yet clearly the mass is now distributed at a greater distance from my location so the field should reduce.
I don't have time to calculate the correct field (and can't find it easily on the net) so I have edited the start of the article to correct a few things there and removed the incorrect part at the end. Some of this may want to be restored when the correct field can be added (or possibly assumptions about near sphericity explicitly stated?) but I thought it best not to leave text that is wrong remain.
Roger Moore 17:16, 24 February 2008 (CST)
Can we simplify it a bit?
This part of the article seems to repeat essentially the same equation twice:
" ... is given by:
The magnitude of the acceleration is , with SI units of meters per second squared.
Here G is the universal gravitational constant, G = 6.67428×10−11 Nm2/kg2,[1] is the position of the test object in the field relative to the centre of mass M, and r is the magnitude (length) of ."
I realize that the equation includes all of the conventions used by physicists and mathematicians, but it simply confuses those of us who are not physicists and mathematicians. Can we not simplify it thus:
" ... is given by:
G is the universal gravitational constant = 6.67428×10−11 Nm2/kg2,[2] and r is the distance between the test object and the centre of mass M."
Those of us who are not physicists or mathematicians would find it much easier to understand if it were simplified as proposed. - Milton Beychok 03:18, 26 February 2008 (CST)