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This statement: "However, the USA is a federal state, so that individual states have rights against the country as a whole" opens up a huge can of worms. The Civil War was fought over this issue, as well as many smaller battles such as enforcement of environmental regulations. The current court is leaning more towards states rights over federal, but probably a majority of people in the country feel this is wrong. So we might find some way to work a discussion of this matter into the article, later. [[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 08:52, 27 June 2022 (CDT) | This statement: "However, the USA is a federal state, so that individual states have rights against the country as a whole" opens up a huge can of worms. The Civil War was fought over this issue, as well as many smaller battles such as enforcement of environmental regulations. The current court is leaning more towards states rights over federal, but probably a majority of people in the country feel this is wrong. So we might find some way to work a discussion of this matter into the article, later. [[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 08:52, 27 June 2022 (CDT) | ||
:I wonder whether it's actually true, or at least relevant, that "probably a majority of people in the country feel this is wrong". I suspect people's attitudes vary according to the issue being discussed. And federalism means that the majority opposing minority rights may be irrelevant. Sort of infinite regress. For what it's worth, I think consensus is very important. The tendency of the establishment to ignore large swathes of public opinion probably played a major role in the election of President Trump. I suspect the Founding Fathers knew what they were doing when they required 3/4 of the states to agree an amendment. In RvW the Court interpreted a century-old provision to rule against nearly all the states in effectively amending the Constitution. Whatever one might think of the morality of the decision, I suspect it was politically harmful, contributing to the extreme polarization we see nowadays. | |||
:Most of that is irrelevant to the article, of course. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] ([[User talk:Peter Jackson|talk]]) 04:46, 28 June 2022 (CDT) | |||
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federal vs. state
This statement: "However, the USA is a federal state, so that individual states have rights against the country as a whole" opens up a huge can of worms. The Civil War was fought over this issue, as well as many smaller battles such as enforcement of environmental regulations. The current court is leaning more towards states rights over federal, but probably a majority of people in the country feel this is wrong. So we might find some way to work a discussion of this matter into the article, later. Pat Palmer (talk) 08:52, 27 June 2022 (CDT)
- I wonder whether it's actually true, or at least relevant, that "probably a majority of people in the country feel this is wrong". I suspect people's attitudes vary according to the issue being discussed. And federalism means that the majority opposing minority rights may be irrelevant. Sort of infinite regress. For what it's worth, I think consensus is very important. The tendency of the establishment to ignore large swathes of public opinion probably played a major role in the election of President Trump. I suspect the Founding Fathers knew what they were doing when they required 3/4 of the states to agree an amendment. In RvW the Court interpreted a century-old provision to rule against nearly all the states in effectively amending the Constitution. Whatever one might think of the morality of the decision, I suspect it was politically harmful, contributing to the extreme polarization we see nowadays.
- Most of that is irrelevant to the article, of course. Peter Jackson (talk) 04:46, 28 June 2022 (CDT)