Talk:Turkey and refugees from Nazis

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The images were sent off list to Stephen Ewen for insertion. Secondly I would like to add the following reference to Igersheimer Namal, A. and Reisman, A. "JOSEPH IGERSHEIMER (1879-1965) A visionary ophthalmologist and his contributions before and after exile" Journal of Medical Biography, The Royal Society of Medicine Press. Volume 15 November (2007) pgs 227-234

but I dont know how at this point. Would someone do it for me? ...said Arnold Reisman (talk) (Please sign your talk page posts by simply adding four tildes, ~~~~.)

I put it in as a reference, see if that is what and where you wanted it. --D. Matt Innis 23:04, 17 November 2007 (CST)

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I'm taking off my constable hat to help with the formatting of this article. --D. Matt Innis 23:59, 17 November 2007 (CST)

Title

This article clearly needs to be retitled and formatted--many of Reisman's articles need formatting. As to a title, something like Albert Einstein's role in securing safe haven for Jews in Turkey in WWII. One can hardly imagine a more specialized topic, but it strikes me as a perfectly legitimate topic. The whole simply needs to be rewritten in the form of a self-contained introduction to the topic itself, like any encyclopedia article. --Larry Sanger 20:44, 17 November 2007 (CST)

How about "Turkey as refuge for Jews in 1930s" as main title and this is one section. Richard Jensen 21:30, 17 November 2007 (CST)

For a title how about: Turkey as refuge for Nazi persecuted intellectuals: Albert Einstein's role The point being is 1. not all had Jewish roots e.g. the Ernst Reuter family 2. One of my other articles already addresses the larger role. 3. This article focuses on Einstein' role

Copyright caveat unnecessary. This author published two articles in refereed journals on the subject of piracy of intellectual property. They are: Reisman, A. (2005). To catch a thief you must think like a thief. Are you up to it? ORMS Today ,Cover story, 32(1) pgs. 21-25. April, downloadable from: http://ssrn.com/abstract=639701

Reisman, A. (2004) “Transfer of Technologies: A cross-disciplinary taxonomy”. Omega: The International Journal of Management Science. 33(3) pp 189-202. Downloadable from: http://ssrn.com/abstract=529423 Also available online via ScienceDirect: http://authors.elsevier.com/sd/article/S0305048304000647

The point being is 1. I am aware of the issues. 2. Since the images concerned have appeared in a Turkish newspaper, article that I have published in a refereed journal, on the History News Network, Turkish Armenians Blog, and at least one can be found on Google Image Search. Your caveat is an unnecessary cover-your-ass-for-all-eventualities approach. 3. For future reference e.g. other images that I provide for other articles, please assume that you are dealing with someone very much aware and keenly sensititve to the protection of intellectual property rights.

Why is the second image and discssion not included???--Arnold Reisman 06:33, 18 November 2007 (CST)

We should merge this into the mainarticle on Turkey and the Holocaust. People will simply be confused with two articles. Since Einstein did very little, there is no no point in so much coverage. Richard Jensen 07:22, 18 November 2007 (CST)

Let me clarify a point of policy here. Unless we seriously believe a violation of CZ:Maintainability is possible, there is no reason that we cannot have absolute boatloads of information about Einstein's role in using Turkey as a safe haven during the Holocaust. I don't know that CZ has any policy that allows one to conclude, "there is no point in so much coverage" of something. I would prefer if we simply let people add information--as long as it is in the form of an encyclopedia article--as they wish. Yes, the topic is very specialized, but (modulo maintainability) that's quite all right. --Larry Sanger 09:52, 18 November 2007 (CST)

formatting

Arnold, I made a couple of formatting edits. See what you think before I do anything more. There are other things we can do, too, so if it doesn't work for you, just let me know and we will try something different. --D. Matt Innis 22:13, 17 November 2007 (CST)

After looking at the sources at the bottom of the page, I'm thinking that some are references and some are just further reading. If you let me know what you want to do with each of them, I can get try and help you get them formatted. --D. Matt Innis 23:01, 17 November 2007 (CST)

trouble

The article is not about Einstein. He signed some form letters that were used but otherwise the text and footnotes make it clear he had minimal involvement. So we need to rethink this piece. I've made a start. Richard Jensen 23:24, 17 November 2007 (CST)

That was a big change. I agree that some of the endnotes seemed to suggest that. You and Dr. Reisman are editors in this workgroup, so I'll just stick to copy edits. --D. Matt Innis 00:01, 18 November 2007 (CST)

I'm the editor and Dr. Reisman is the author. It seems clear from the text that Einstein had a minor role, hence the new ttitle. Our goal is to focus the article on the big issue, which was Turkey's takling in refugees. Richard Jensen 00:06, 18 November 2007 (CST)

You might be right. It's hard to tell as there are no tags on Dr. Reisman's user page to let us know wither way. Meanwhile, we can probably link some of those references to various statements, but if the article isn't about Einstein, who and when did Turkey start to protect the Jews? --D. Matt Innis 00:13, 18 November 2007 (CST)