Talk:Calcidius/Archive 1

A smaller part of this article was published in Wikipedia in Spanish, with my authorization. But this is the full version, which I authorize for Citizendium. Kind regards, --Georgeos Díaz-Montexano 23:41, 5 March 2008 (CST)

A very good article, but -- and this is no criticism -- it needs to be translated into pure English prose. I will now give it a try. If I am uncertain as to an exact meaning of any particular point, I will leave the line(s) in question untouched. Also, if I inadvertently add to rather than subtract from the ambiguity, I apologize in advance.Jeffrey Scott Bernstein 14:26, 6 March 2008 (CST)

Dear Mr Jeffrey Scott Bernstein:

I am very grateful for their criticisms, which are true, honest and constructive. As we explain to another respectable author, Mr. Todd Coles:

"Regard to article Calcidius, can you investigate and verify as there is no more complete article nor more extended in any other encyclopedia known nor even the most famous - and for pay - like Encarta, nor in the Catholic nor in the encyclopedias known of Philosophy. I led many months of investigation in order to make this article, and yet he had to leave to present a lot of data very interests that are the result of my own discoveries, because it gave my honor word to Mr Sargen, that was not going to use to expose any assumptions Citizendium or discovery that I have made but only to talk of others, and only on the findings of other authors...

I think the biggest help I need is in the spelling and syntax, as I am Spanish, and I do not have enough experience in the English language.

Therefore, you have every right to correct my articles to be more correct in the English language. In fact, it is an obligation that we have to have every citizen of Citizendium to help refine the draft, which has increasingly higher quality. And of course, I assure you, and any author or publisher, all my permission honest, and my full appreciation also for any help improve English prose in my articles. I'm sorry, because I may be a nuisance to you, and cause more work for you, for my great defects in the English prose. I hope you understand that I forever lived in country where English is not a language widely used nor even as a second or third language, which makes it very difficult my learning English, and every time I have more years old ...

Kind Regards, --Georgeos Díaz-Montexano 20:21, 6 March 2008 (CST)

Rectification of errors...

Dear Jeffrey Scott Bernstein: I do not understand why you change my original expression of italian peninsula by iberian peninsula (see diffs).

In my original article said italian peninsula, which is where Plotinus taught his doctrine. The change that you have done has changed a historical fact that is pointed out in my article, and now causes a grave mistake for knowledge. But in addition, you have made the change, and now you also presents a question mark ? at the end.

It is very good (and I am going to always be very grateful) that you will help correct prose and syntax English, but please, if you change my original concepts, historical facts known and corrects, by others who are wrong, then it may appear that I have committed such errors of knowledge, and of course, the article loses quality.

An expert on these issues might think that the original author of this article (ie, myself) are an ignoramus who does not know that Plotinus taught his doctrine almost exclusively in the peninsula of Italy, and which also I am as ignorant which I confused the Italian peninsula with the Iberian peninsula ...

If there are errors in my articles historical anachronisms, or incorrect data, of course, I am very grateful that somebody can correct these alleged mistakes, but so far, this is not the case. The only objection against my Calcidius article is the issue of English prose, namely that must be perfected English prose.

Please, I ask you, with great kindness and respect that you deserve, but to revise all the changes you have made in my article, and that you can ensure that these changes do not alter the basic concepts, and the historical facts , and correct data that through my knowledge I originally written.

It can correct prose, syntax, spelling, without changing names of countries like Italy by Iberia, causing a serious historical mistake ...

Once again, for you, my greatest thanks!, and my most sincere apologies for any inconvenience it may cause to you with my clumsiness in the mastery of English prose. Kind regards, --Georgeos Díaz-Montexano 21:03, 6 March 2008 (CST)

Dear Jeffrey Bernstein-Scott: Please always bear in mind at all times that I am Spanish, and with whom I hardly practise English in my country. Therefore, if at any time use a word that might sound or seem uncomfortable or annoying, never think that this is the real intention. I give my word of honor, that when that happens, it will be simply because of poor command of English prose, and not for other intention. Every time I ask you for an explanation for something, you can always presume with confidence, and absolute security, good faith and good intentions, my questions and even my complaints. Kind Regards, --Georgeos Díaz-Montexano 21:16, 6 March 2008 (CST)

Eeesh, I guess I have to put this here as well: Yes, I know; that's why I put the question mark in bold; I knew you would deal with it quickly, within minutes or hours (I hoped). And the draft I saw had "Italic peninsula", not "Italian" -- hence I was mystified. Obviously I wouldn't have changed "Italian" for "Iberian", unless I was under the spell of the Weird Sisters. Unfortunately, to my great discredit, it was what one calls an "injudicious decision". Obviously, with the benefit of hindsight, I realize I should have divined "Italian". After I logged out, I thought to myself, "I should have left 'Italic peninsula' and just let the next person figure it out." I recognized that I should have gone back and restored the original, eccentric "Italic peninsula". I just knew it would be a problem, because Iberian didn't sound right, but as I say, I hoped the black question mark would inspire you to fix it fast. Two bad decisions on my part. Sorry. Thankfully the error due to my injudicious behavior remained for only a very short duration of time. I should stay away from such activities, I guess, unless I become even more stringent in my method.Jeffrey Scott Bernstein 21:22, 6 March 2008 (CST)

Dear Jeffrey Scott Bernstein: It is not necessary so many apologies. You have acted with good faith and good intentions, and that is really important in this universe... You can suggest and make any changes that you deem best for English prose, for example, if you believe it is better to say that Plotinus disclosed his doctrines in the Peninsula of Italy, which say that he disclosed his doctrines in the Italian Peninsula or Italic Peninsula, there is no problem, because it does not change the historical fact nor the original sense; but is not the same Peninsula of Italy' or Italian Peninsula or Italic Peninsula which Iberian Peninsula. In any case, I see you have understood very well my arguments, despite my English so poorly. Kind Regards, --Georgeos Díaz-Montexano 22:11, 6 March 2008 (CST)

I have an idea - I believe we have some authors here who speak Spanish, perhaps we can find someone that can help translate a version from Spanish. That might make this easier and we won't run the risk of losing context. Let me bug some people and see if I can get that figured out. --Todd Coles 21:33, 6 March 2008 (CST)

It is an excellent idea, but I suggest that is American, or British, who know well speak Spanish. They have no sense to seek other Spaniards, or Latins or South American, whose official language is Spanish, or Castillian, because then, it would be exactly the same that I do. Well, I am Spanish, I can write in English, with the usual defects of any Spanish (or South American) who was not born in a country where English is the second official language, and then, it has been his whole life (as a child ) speaking English. In fact it is very difficult to find a Spanish (Spain), or a Cuban or an Argentinean, or a Peruvian or Chilean, who has been speaking English since the child as a second language. So, I suggest that this person must be a native USA, or England, or from any country where English is the official language, and foremost, or at least is the second language, and therefore know very well the language English as a child. Kind regards, --Georgeos Díaz-Montexano 22:24, 6 March 2008 (CST)

In the meantime

Someone emailed me with a solution for the first "paragraph to fix":

"Calcidius’s contributions were not widely recognized by Occidentals in the centuries following his death. His messages were similar in theme to that of other classic Latin literature but gained importance upon the decline of the Hellenistic age."

Variation: ["His messages were"] = "His content was"

May as well continue on:

Second "paragraph to fix" [solution isn't perfect, but it is one slight degree further along towards perfection, as it were]:

"This precision [AC VESTIBULO SINUS] corresponds with a species of clarification or explanation, which is intended specifically for Osius, as if Calcidius believed it was necessary to specify the exact place where Plato was locating "ATLANTIS INSULA", ie, not only before of the mouth of the strait of Hercules, but “in the same vestibule or entry (VESTIBULO), in the gulf (SINUS) -- that is, in the current Gulf of Cadiz (also known as Atlantic Gulf or Atlantic Pelagus), which is the only Gulf that exists, just in the Atlantic mouth, before the Pillars of Hercules, otherwise known as the Gibraltar Strait."

There are two more marked paragraphs to see to. Good luck someone.

At any rate, I'm certainly not adding anything . . .Jeffrey Scott Bernstein 10:24, 7 March 2008 (CST)

The opening bit was from Spanish WP, so I've done that, but the rest needs discussion. Ro Thorpe 16:58, 7 March 2008 (CST)