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*Thanks, David.  Nice to have another brain looking in.  Needed something new to keep from getting stale and mired in "Systems Biology".  Besides, Larry keeps asking for new articles.  They don't come gattling out of the keystroking digits, however--though you seem to have a neverending supply. --[[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] [[User talk:Anthony Sebastian|(Talk)]] 17:45, 27 January 2007 (CST)
*Thanks, David.  Nice to have another brain looking in.  Needed something new to keep from getting stale and mired in "Systems Biology".  Besides, Larry keeps asking for new articles.  They don't come gattling out of the keystroking digits, however--though you seem to have a neverending supply. --[[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] [[User talk:Anthony Sebastian|(Talk)]] 17:45, 27 January 2007 (CST)
== Tables ==
Those tables should probably be converted to wikicode. [[User:Fredrik Johansson|Fredrik Johansson]] 21:36, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
:Do not know how to do that. Could you do it, then put them here on the Talk page for my review? --[[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] [[User talk:Anthony.Sebastian|(Talk)]] 21:52, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
Here's a start:
{| class="wikitable"
!Food Group
!# Items
!Net Acid Load
!Potassium
!Protein
!Protein
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|''meq/100 kcal''
|''meq/100 kcal''
|''g/100 kcal''
|''g/100 meq Potassium''
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!colspan=6|Acid-Producing Foods
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|[[Fish]]
|align=center|8
|align=center|14.6
|align=center|8.1
|align=center|16.8
|align=center|207
|-
|[[Meat]]
|align=center|3
|align=center|12.4
|align=center|7.6
|align=center|18.4
|align=center|242
|-
|[[Poultry]]
|align=center|2
|align=center|7.8
|align=center|4.7
|align=center|13.4
|align=center|287
|-
|[[Egg]]
|align=center|1
|align=center|7.3
|align=center|2.4
|align=center|8.3
|align=center|339
|-
|[[Shellfish]]
|align=center|3
|align=center|7.3
|align=center|18.4
|align=center|18.0
|align=center|159
|-
|[[Cheese]]
|align=center|9
|align=center|3.3
|align=center|0.8
|align=center|7.1
|align=center|982
|-
|[[Milk]]
|align=center|4
|align=center|1.3
|align=center|6.4
|align=center|5.7
|align=center|90
|-
|[[Cereal grains|Cereal Grains]]
|align=center|7
|align=center|1.1
|align=center|2.6
|align=center|3.2
|align=center|153
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|'''Acid producing foods: Means'''
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|align=center|6.9
|align=center|6.4
|align=center|11.4
|align=center|308
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|colspan=6| 
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!colspan=6|Near-Neutral Foods
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|[[Legume]]s
|align=center|6
|align=center| -0.4
|align=center|12.6
|align=center|10.6
|align=center|100
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|colspan=6| 
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!colspan=6|Bicarbonate-Producing Foods
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|'''Bicarbonate-Producing Foods: Means'''
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|align=center| -13.2
|align=center|31.9
|align=center|7.4
|align=center|29
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Filling in all the values is a bit more tedious... - [[User:Fredrik Johansson|Fredrik Johansson]] 23:06, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
Thanks very much for making that start.  A good learning tool for me. Agree re "bit more tedious" filling in values. Time. --[[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] [[User talk:Anthony.Sebastian|(Talk)]] 18:53, 23 November 2007 (CST)
== Mg ==
I see Mg turning up more and more in Western Medicine therapies for various conditions and actually seeing small blurbs about it in JAMA etc.  You seem to know a lot about K+, what do you know about Mg2+ in relation to human health? [[User:Thomas E Kelly|-Tom Kelly]] [[User talk:Thomas E Kelly|(Talk)]] 21:49, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
:Tom, subjedct for another article, but will allude to it here.  --[[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] [[User talk:Anthony.Sebastian|(Talk)]] 21:53, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
::Great, I'm just curious about it as well. Thanks![[User:Thomas E Kelly|-Tom Kelly]] [[User talk:Thomas E Kelly|(Talk)]] 21:56, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
== Potassium in obesity ==
I understand that there's a gap in the two articles about ions in the metabolic syndrome (references 9 & 10) concerning obesity, and that conclusions about the K-overweight can only be inferred. I intend to provide references that could be useful to better characterize the role of low cellular potassium in overweight and obesity, so that references 9 & 10 could be then be used to support and explain this relationship.
* [http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T0Y-4G5726H-N1&_user=10&_coverDate=05%2F31%2F2005&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=7fa8575dd467e99eebc38190c9cb7795 Increased dietary sodium partially blunts the amelioration of insulin resistance induced by dietary potassium supplementation in a neuroendocrine model of visceral obesity]
* [http://www.amjmedsci.com/pt/re/ajms/abstract.00000441-200701000-00001.htm;jsessionid=HL5SW0MdJHv5Xsy9Lr1KrZcxF0ywNzl5yY0mlT5y6yjJ5tvdkh98!65375592!181195628!8091!-1 Animal and Human Tissue Na,K-ATPase in Obesity and Diabetes: A New Proposed Enzyme Regulation. American Journal of the Medical Sciences. 333(1):1-9, January 2007. Iannello, Silvia MD; Milazzo, Paolina MD; Belfiore, Francesco MD]
: "'''''In adipose tissue''' from obese patients (compared with lean subjects), Na,K-ATPase was reduced (-65%, P < 0.001) and negatively correlated with body mass index, oral glucose tolerance test-insulinemic area, and mean blood pressure.''"
[[User:Pierre-Alain Gouanvic|Pierre-Alain Gouanvic]] 20:00, 23 November 2007 (CST)
:Excellent. Will read with great interest. --[[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] [[User talk:Anthony.Sebastian|(Talk)]] 21:41, 15 December 2007 (CST)
== [[Na,K-ATPase]] article ==
... has been created. In this draft, I have insisted on the energy (ATP) spent on this enzyme, which is impressive. This article could help in the development of the potassium page.
[[User:Pierre-Alain Gouanvic|Pierre-Alain Gouanvic]] 22:01, 23 November 2007 (CST)
:Good points, Pierre-Alain. I will study your references for their usefulness in the potassium nutrition article.  --[[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] [[User talk:Anthony.Sebastian|(Talk)]] 21:40, 15 December 2007 (CST)
== Potassium and soft water ==
Is there any recommendation regarding the use of soft water in the home? In some soft water installations, minerals are extracted from the water at the cost of adding potassium. Although not universal, some home installations go to the lengths of having a separate faucet in the kitchen that does not use soft water simply to avoid excess consumption of potassium. Is that practice warranted? [[User:John R. Brews|John R. Brews]] 18:02, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

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--Anthony.Sebastian (Talk) 23:20, 18 January 2007 (CST)

Great to see a new project here Anthony. This will be come to approval more easily that the ambitious challenge of Systems biology I'd guess. I don know much specifically about the topic but hope to pich in on occasion with editing perspective. My scanning stopped at one-tripleple digit millimolar for instance . Might not 5-100 be smoother . Ill see if I can uncover other points but reverse those which dont work of course David Tribe 15:18, 26 January 2007 (CST)

  • Thanks, David. Nice to have another brain looking in. Needed something new to keep from getting stale and mired in "Systems Biology". Besides, Larry keeps asking for new articles. They don't come gattling out of the keystroking digits, however--though you seem to have a neverending supply. --Anthony.Sebastian (Talk) 17:45, 27 January 2007 (CST)

Tables

Those tables should probably be converted to wikicode. Fredrik Johansson 21:36, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

Do not know how to do that. Could you do it, then put them here on the Talk page for my review? --Anthony.Sebastian (Talk) 21:52, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

Here's a start:

Food Group # Items Net Acid Load Potassium Protein Protein
meq/100 kcal meq/100 kcal g/100 kcal g/100 meq Potassium
Acid-Producing Foods
Fish 8 14.6 8.1 16.8 207
Meat 3 12.4 7.6 18.4 242
Poultry 2 7.8 4.7 13.4 287
Egg 1 7.3 2.4 8.3 339
Shellfish 3 7.3 18.4 18.0 159
Cheese 9 3.3 0.8 7.1 982
Milk 4 1.3 6.4 5.7 90
Cereal Grains 7 1.1 2.6 3.2 153
Acid producing foods: Means 6.9 6.4 11.4 308
 
Near-Neutral Foods
Legumes 6 -0.4 12.6 10.6 100
 
Bicarbonate-Producing Foods
Bicarbonate-Producing Foods: Means -13.2 31.9 7.4 29

Filling in all the values is a bit more tedious... - Fredrik Johansson 23:06, 10 April 2007 (CDT)


Thanks very much for making that start. A good learning tool for me. Agree re "bit more tedious" filling in values. Time. --Anthony.Sebastian (Talk) 18:53, 23 November 2007 (CST)

Mg

I see Mg turning up more and more in Western Medicine therapies for various conditions and actually seeing small blurbs about it in JAMA etc. You seem to know a lot about K+, what do you know about Mg2+ in relation to human health? -Tom Kelly (Talk) 21:49, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

Tom, subjedct for another article, but will allude to it here. --Anthony.Sebastian (Talk) 21:53, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
Great, I'm just curious about it as well. Thanks!-Tom Kelly (Talk) 21:56, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

Potassium in obesity

I understand that there's a gap in the two articles about ions in the metabolic syndrome (references 9 & 10) concerning obesity, and that conclusions about the K-overweight can only be inferred. I intend to provide references that could be useful to better characterize the role of low cellular potassium in overweight and obesity, so that references 9 & 10 could be then be used to support and explain this relationship.

"In adipose tissue from obese patients (compared with lean subjects), Na,K-ATPase was reduced (-65%, P < 0.001) and negatively correlated with body mass index, oral glucose tolerance test-insulinemic area, and mean blood pressure."

Pierre-Alain Gouanvic 20:00, 23 November 2007 (CST)

Excellent. Will read with great interest. --Anthony.Sebastian (Talk) 21:41, 15 December 2007 (CST)

Na,K-ATPase article

... has been created. In this draft, I have insisted on the energy (ATP) spent on this enzyme, which is impressive. This article could help in the development of the potassium page. Pierre-Alain Gouanvic 22:01, 23 November 2007 (CST)

Good points, Pierre-Alain. I will study your references for their usefulness in the potassium nutrition article. --Anthony.Sebastian (Talk) 21:40, 15 December 2007 (CST)

Potassium and soft water

Is there any recommendation regarding the use of soft water in the home? In some soft water installations, minerals are extracted from the water at the cost of adding potassium. Although not universal, some home installations go to the lengths of having a separate faucet in the kitchen that does not use soft water simply to avoid excess consumption of potassium. Is that practice warranted? John R. Brews 18:02, 14 September 2011 (UTC)