User talk:Igor Grešovnik

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Welcome!

Tasks: start a new article • add basic, wanted or requested articles • add definitions • add metadata • edit new pages

Welcome to the Citizendium! We hope you will contribute boldly and well. Here are pointers for a quick start, and see Getting Started for other helpful "startup" links, our help system and CZ:Home for the top menu of community pages. You can test out editing in the sandbox if you'd like. If you need help to get going, the forum is one option. That's also where we discuss policy and proposals. You can ask any user or the editors for help, too. Just put a note on their "talk" page. Again, welcome and have fun! See CZ:Discipline Workgroups to add yourself to whichever author workgroups you choose. -- Stephen Ewen 01:22, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

Checklist and subpages

Hi Igor. I just wanted to inform you that you can add checklists and (even better) subpages to your articles you started so that these articles will be listed in the relevant workgroup (in this case the Mathematics Workgroup) -- otherwise it will not. You can find instructions on how to add a checklist here and instructions to add subpages can be found here. Subpages are more preferable because, among other reasons, it makes the pages look nicer. Adding a checklist or subpages are not difficult to learn (I think).

As an example, I have helped to add subpages to the approximation theory article. Cheers, --Hendra I. Nurdin 17:23, 24 November 2007 (CST)

Citizendium in Slovene

It's great to see people are interested in it. --Dejan Papež 06:00, 29 December 2007 (CST)

You may read here why I have changed Slovenian to Slovene. All major dictionaries give preference to it. --Dejan Papež 12:29, 29 December 2007 (CST)

River names

Igor, I think you need to include the word "river" in the names of your river articles. Otherwise you will end up with many disambiguation pages need (for example Sora. We would have similar problems with many rivers(Mississipi, Amazon, to name a two) . As a result, we will need to rename a bunch of pages and you will be lost on the history pages. I wrote to the Editors email asking about this. Perhaps you could wait until we hear back from them and save yourself time and effort.David E. Volk 12:10, 4 January 2008 (CST)

David, sincere thanks for this warning. This actually might be a problem since other geographical entities (towns, provinces) and other things are often named after rivers. Please inform me when you get any answer from the Editors. I will wait until I have guidlines regarding naming of articles and then perform renaming, links updating and other housekeeping tasks, as necessary. --Igor Grešovnik 12:32, 4 January 2008 (CST)

So far, I have gotten three responses, including from Larry Sanger, that agree with me on this topic, so please add the word river to all of your river articles. You can just use the "Move" tab on the top right side of your current ones to move the pages.David E. Volk 17:47, 4 January 2008 (CST)

David, thanks for this information. I will now move all the articles on rivers that I've started and then update the links. This shouldn't be too difficult by using What links here for each of the old articles. Redirection pages are created automatically when moving a page. I will also point at this discussiton in the talk pages of river articles (such as here). Igor Grešovnik 11:08, 17 January 2008 (CST)

Thanks for moving all the river names--that was (is) a lot of work! --Larry Sanger 13:03, 17 January 2008 (CST) No problem. I cooked - I ate. Igor Grešovnik 13:06, 17 January 2008 (CST)

CZ International

Hi! I’m just letting people who have expressed an interest in CZ International know that there is now a proposal on the table.

Please discuss its feasibility at: CZ:Proposals/Internationalisation sandbox in the Discussion area.

Feel free to help develop the proposal, as well.

We'll also need "drivers".

If you've got no idea what I'm talking about, please refer to: CZ:Proposals/New and CZ:Proposals

Aleta Curry 18:09, 14 February 2008 (CST)

Nice pix

Hi Igor, nice pictures of the dragonflies! --Larry Sanger 21:05, 15 July 2008 (CDT)

Structure of Yugoslav Wars may be useful elsewhere

While you still may have ideas in progress, I gather you have a broad article and then a number of redirects for specific conflicts. A few days ago, I described a general problem in the Military Workgroup forum, and there haven't been any really good suggestions. Perhaps you may have a different viewpoint that might help.

The problem came up when I was writing an article on a military weapon, which was used operationally in Afghanistan, during U.S. post-9/11 articles about the Taliban. We only have, however, Afghanistan War (1978–1992); Wikipedia has anWar in Afghanistan (2001-present) article. Note that the structure of the article names are not standardized. That conflict, minimally, breaks into three or more sub-conflicts:

1. Soviet invasion and native resistance (possibly a subcategory when the insurgents started getting significant help
2. (may not be a clear subconflict) Internal struggles until the Taliban gained control
3. Rise of the Taliban through the U.S. 1991 operation that took them out of power
4. Post-high-intensity war, occupation, guerilla warfare or however one might characterize the present situation.

Specifically, there was no straightforward and neutral way to refer to the third and fourth phases. (2001-present) is one possibility, other than there are at least two parallel operations at present, one NATO (i.e., ISAF) and one U.S. led with a few allies.

For many of these operations, where the U.S. was a participant, there are at least two U.S. military names, one of which is neutral but deliberately obscure, and the other is the "public relations" code name that is non-neutral, and one intended for public relations. Using the 2003 Iraq operation as an example, the actual code name for the internal planning of the operation, and the actual first orders, referred to Operation POLO STEP. Only afterwards did press people speak of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

POLO STEP would be neutral, but too obscure. Iraqi Freedom is non-neutral, just as "Imperialistic U.S. Invasion of Peaceful Iraq" is non-neutral.

In your work with the Yugoslav wars, have you any thoughts on coming up with an appropriate list of names? Your Yugoslav Wars looks like it might be just the place to have a table that crossreferences dates and names including something reasonably precise and neutral, the various non-neutral public names, and, if one exists and is of interest to military historians, the actual code names.

I believe there is also a need, in many modern wars, to cover the overt military part that overthrew a government, as distinct from occupation, peace operations, resistance, or whatever neutral term exists for the lower-intensity phase.

Any ideas would be very welcome.

Thanks, Howard C. Berkowitz 11:38, 23 July 2008 (CDT)

Answer is on Howard C. Berkowitz talk page. Igor Grešovnik 07:01, 24 July 2008 (CDT)

I started a proposal at [[CZ:Proposals > New]], although this is the first time I've done a proposal. Howard C. Berkowitz 10:25, 24 July 2008 (CDT)