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== Redirects ==
== Welcome back! ==


Way to go (at [[Ju-on]])! Thanks! [[User:J. Noel Chiappa|J. Noel Chiappa]] 13:40, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
The Universe is always in flux -- some are leaving, some are coming.  Hope that all goes well.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 18:53, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
:CZ is cooler when you are here. Welcome back!--[[User:Domergue Sumien|Domergue Sumien]] 11:01, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
::Yes, welcome back, and warmly so! --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 11:21, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Thanks, everyone! [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 06:23, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


== Culture ==
== Returning to Citizendium ==


Do drop in John (at [[culture]] that is). [[User:Aladin|Aladin]] 08:50, 9 July 2008 (CDT)
Your message to inactive users is well worded and very encouraging. I think the link to their contributions is a nice touch. Good job! [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 13:25, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks. Actually, thanks to you they will see a lot of edits in the 'recent changes' list specific to each workgroup.


==Thanks==
:I think I've done over 140 people now, about a third of the absent editors (all Natural Sciences workgroups, plus Engineering). So far not much luck coaxing many people back, but I have tried the 'hook' of pointing out that they have public bios here that they might at least like to update. I have personalised the template I've been using to point to the workgroups of which they are members... this takes quite a bit of time and ideally is something a robot should do, but we don't see many robots around here these days. There are certainly people labelled 'inactive' who have been editing in the last few months; this could be fixed by a robot, but I lack the technical skill to run one. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 14:43, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi John! Thanks for having corrected my English prose.--[[User:Domergue Sumien|Domergue Sumien]] 15:06, 18 August 2008 (CDT)
:No problem, and welcome to Citizendium. It is a relief to have some more linguists on the wiki! [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 15:29, 18 August 2008 (CDT)


== I saw him standin' there.... (told you guys I could keep this up) ==
::That is something I have seen working with the "[http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages Special Pages]" - in some cases the lists are not updating on anything like a regular basis. Maybe there is a central problem to do with CZ statistics not updating regularly - sounds like one for the tech team. [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 14:51, 19 November 2011 (UTC)


I noticed!  [[CZ:Monthly Write-a-Thon#The shy ones, absent-minded profs, and other modest creatures|here he is!]] [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 22:01, 2 September 2008 (CDT)
== Helping to understand Japanese phrases ==
:Travel(l)ing through North America at the moment and it's wall-to-wall Sarah Palin on CNN, so... [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 22:04, 3 September 2008 (CDT)


== subpages template ==
"このときの歩行速度は時速0.5km にも満たない"


John,  
Hello. I tried really hard to find out what the walking speed of the E0 prototype was. I'm afraid that the sentence above states "at the time it was really difficult to reach 0.5km/h" rather than saying "E0 walked at 0.5km/h." Do you know what it means? Thank you. ([[User:Chunbum Park|Chunbum Park]] 03:48, 22 November 2011 (UTC))
:My Japanese is really not very good, but I think it means 'At this time, the walking speed was less then 0.5km per hour'. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 13:56, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
::Yes, the walking speed "did not reach 0.5km/h". --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 14:34, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Thank you. ([[User:Chunbum Park|Chunbum Park]] 13:10, 7 December 2011 (UTC))


Sometimes I deliberately do not put <nowiki>{{subpages}}</nowiki> on a page. Most commonly, this is a situation when the title is in flux and I don't want to create metadata that is likely to change. In other cases, it's a relatively short article undergoing active writing, and I'd just rather not have half a page of metadata reminders cluttering the screen.
== EC ==


There is a discussion about topics that really aren't more than a definition. Chris Day has some complex ways about making these work with R-templates, which have complex interactions with definitions and metadata. I'm still trying to understand his logic, which I think will make sense but is clearly not trivial.
Hey John, I have nominated you for the EC election. I don't think there is any mechanism for you to know that without research or me telling you so here I am. You have a good overview of CZ past and present and some good ideas about its future so I hope you will consider accepting the nomination. [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 09:20, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
:Thank you and I will certainly take the nomination very seriously. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 05:06, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


Anyway, it's one thing if you plan to fill in the metadata, definition, and so forth. If not, may I ask why you are just putting <nowiki>{{subpages}}</nowiki> but not doing anything else on them? Is it meant to be a reminder of some sort?  You may have a very good reason, but it isn't obvious.  Do note that you can create a talk page without metadata.
== Referenda ==


[[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 19:30, 4 September 2008 (CDT)
Should the discussion be [[CZ_Talk:Referenda_(Citizen-Initiated)#Voting|here]] or [[CZ_Talk:Referenda_(Citizen-Initiated)/Elections#Electoral system|there]]? [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 13:52, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
:It's because I intend to create the metadata templates in a batch (today!). I would suggest that if you are going to create pages without the subpage template, then add workgroup categories from the outset - otherwise, the pages are practically invisible to other users. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 20:30, 4 September 2008 (CDT)
:What about on the Talk pages for the referenda subpages? [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 14:20, 6 December 2011 (UTC)


::I suppose it's not always the intention to make pages immediately visible. There are times, when an article is going to be extensively linked, where it's not practical to test it in userspace. That is one reason for not necessarily trying to make the article visible, or at least through categories. There are a number of Forum discussions on dealing with some of the more obscure issues, such as how naming interacts with R-templates.
::Suits me! [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 08:40, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


::I was certainly puzzled to be finding subpages added with nothing else, and no explanation either in an edit summary or talk page. There well might be a good reason, but this was confusing.
== Thank you! ==


::If you want to work on these articles, great! I might suggest, though, that if you find no metadata, create a talk page, which doesn't require a metapage, and discuss what you want to do with the article. When I know others are working on articles, I try to discuss, on the talk page, how we might split up a first draft. When I haven't done this, I've had the sad experience of being in mid-flow, stopping for dinner or other biological breaks, and finding work minutes, or hours, old being redone while I still had material to type.
Indeed. I've been in college so things were busy. Time flies and I have a semester left to graduate. Hope I will have more time soon to edit this encyclopedia. [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 05:01, 4 February 2012 (UTC)


::I'm pleased to find someone with wide interests, as are my own. It did seem a little ambitious to deal with angiography, the Battle of the Beams, Baghdad, etc., on the first day. Again, it's useful to discuss plans to avoid conflict with others. Angiography is not too critical, but the Battle of the Beams, in my mind, links heavily with other articles in electronic warfare, signals intelligence, etc. Again, a little discussion beforehand can save much aggravation. It might make sense for either one of us not to make changes for a short time, just so the other can get their material written without getting into micro-level conflicting changes.  [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 20:55, 4 September 2008 (CDT)
== Messed up adding quotes to Welcome Page ==


:::It is troubling to find your work torn up - though that's the nature of a wiki, I suppose. I wasn't doing that, though - merely adding templates. I still think *categories* are necessary from the outset (not necessarily the subpages template), to get people onto the Talk page or into the article itself. In the case of [[Baghdad]], no-one had edited that for over two weeks, probably because there were few links across the wiki to it. See also the [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,1848.0.html forum]. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 21:22, 4 September 2008 (CDT)
John, I tried adding quotes #s 50 & 51 to Welcome Page, but somehow messed up, as Welcome Page now shows no quotes.


::::Seriously, we can agree that you can take responsibility for articles. That's not an issue. There is, however, an ongoing discussion if categories are indeed useful, especially if the particular topic is going to be little more than a definition. Baghdad and angiography were put there as stubs because there were a distracting number of magenta links.  
Will you rectify, and explain what I did wrong.


::::Battle of the Beams was in limbo while I'm working on some more general things about air campaign planning. What were you thinking of doing with it?
Thanks.  [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 19:29, 27 April 2012 (UTC)


::::I've also responded to your forum comment. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 21:36, 4 September 2008 (CDT)
:There were some 'nowiki' tags next to the 'mod' value. Fixed now. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 00:19, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


== New Manga Sandbox Pages ==
::Thanks, John.  I saw the tags, but gave them no attention, possibly because quotes had been appearing before I opened the editor to add my quotes.  It's a mystery to me how and when those tags got there.  [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 16:15, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


Hi, John. Thanks again for your encouragement. I've created a set of Sandboxes for revising the manga articles. They're listed at [[User:Timothy Perper/SDBXIndex]] with links and brief descriptions. Please feel free to come by and comment! [[User:Timothy Perper|Timothy Perper]] 10:42, 27 September 2008 (CDT)


== Editing and Rewriting the Manga Article ==
==Pompeii==
Hi, I just wanted to say thanks for adding related articles to the Pompeii page. That's one less thing to do! [[User:Richard Nevell|Richard Nevell]] 12:06, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
:No problem. :) [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 11:27, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


Hi, John. I've got material on manga at [[User:Timothy Perper/SandboxHistManga]] and I'd like you to come and look at it and comment. Matt Thorn and I will be working on the material a good deal more -- a ''good'' deal! -- so your comments are most welcome.


Second, can I ask your permission to make a change in the present manga article? I'd like to create new articles (stubs) for the manga you mention: Astro Boy, Black Jack, Sazae-san, and Doraemon, simply by taking what you have already in the manga article and moving each one to its own individual page. Then the sections can be deleted from the manga article without losing anything. Is this OK with you?
== Picture of George Fox ==
 
It would be really helpful to know the provenance of the picture of George Fox.  I have developed the stub article on him, but am reluctant to add the picture without knowing more about it. It appears to be an imaginative reconstruction rather than derived from an actual portrait. The latest biographer of Fox (Larry Ingle) is reduced to using a "supposed" portrait extracted from a caricature of a Quaker meeting (as evidenced in a book by Rosemary Moore). The picture you have provided could conceivably have been constructed as a younger version of that image. --[[User:Martin Wyatt|Martin Wyatt]] 19:24, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks.
 
[[User:Timothy Perper|Timothy Perper]] 06:19, 30 September 2008 (CDT)
:No problem - in fact, I'll do that myself. I will leave the <nowiki>{{subpages}}</nowiki> tag off for now in case we need to change the article title (if you start an article with subpages and then decide to move it to a new title, it's a pain because /Metadata and other subpages have to be moved separately, and of course /Metadata's content must be changed too). [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 03:35, 1 October 2008 (CDT)
 
::Just so you know I made a template to allow you to move things a lot more easily. See talk page navigation bar at the top-left and look for the Move Cluster link. Its not perfect by any means but it does simplify the process. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 03:54, 1 October 2008 (CDT)
 
::: Thanks, John and Chris! (I just had an edit conflict, so I'm putting this in again.)
 
::: I'm still making extensive changes in the [[User:Timothy Perper/SandboxHistManga]] draft. The article was originally on Wikipedia (I wrote most of it, laboring under the usual Wikipedia handicaps) and it needs some serious reworking. I'm planning on taking the material from the existing article on manga and weaving it into the introduction of the new one and then putting all the new material into the manga article. Any suggestions would be a great help. Matt Thorn told me he's working separately on the history of manga in Japan -- or I assume that's what he's doing, since it's his area of expertise. Do you have any objections to my taking the introduction and using it with what I have already?
 
::: I don't know how to handle /Metadata (yet), so I won't touch any of that. I'll leave it to you experts for now.
 
::: Thanks for your help! [[User:Timothy Perper|Timothy Perper]] 03:58, 1 October 2008 (CDT)
 
OK, what I have done is move the [[manga]] article (but not its Talk page or subpages) to [[History of manga]]. I cut almost everything except the introduction - you can use this on the page or in your sandbox as necessary. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 04:09, 1 October 2008 (CDT)
 
: Thanks. But I want to make sure that we're all on the same page (pun intended) here. I'm rewriting the material in my sandbox [[User:Timothy Perper/SandboxHistManga]] to replace the manga article, not to create a "History of Manga" article. There's a good deal of non-historical material in the TP sandbox piece, and the history isn't complete. I'd rather hope that Matt Thorn, who is an expert in the history part, can add a good deal from his knowledge of Japanese sources to the history article, but I see the sandbox material as less specialized than being purely or even primarily a "history." Which is why it's in a sandbox -- to add new topics.
 
: I hope that's clearer -- my apologies if there's been any confusion. [[User:Timothy Perper|Timothy Perper]] 04:28, 1 October 2008 (CDT)
::Oh, okay. Well, the history of manga article can be deleted as it stands and you can just use the material as it appears in your sandbox as you like. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 04:32, 1 October 2008 (CDT)
 
::: Great -- sounds good. Can you help me figure out what went wrong on [[User:Timothy Perper/SandboxHistManga]]? I moved the comments to the discussion page (fine, no problem) but the page itself has an indented subsection I can't eliminate, the material you added inserts references into the main reference list, and the tildes don't always give my name. I've tried several fixes and they don't work. Do you know how to fix this? Thanks. [[User:Timothy Perper|Timothy Perper]] 05:12, 1 October 2008 (CDT)

Latest revision as of 11:41, 9 March 2015



Welcome back!

The Universe is always in flux -- some are leaving, some are coming. Hope that all goes well.... Hayford Peirce 18:53, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

CZ is cooler when you are here. Welcome back!--Domergue Sumien 11:01, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Yes, welcome back, and warmly so! --Daniel Mietchen 11:21, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, everyone! John Stephenson 06:23, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Returning to Citizendium

Your message to inactive users is well worded and very encouraging. I think the link to their contributions is a nice touch. Good job! David Finn 13:25, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Actually, thanks to you they will see a lot of edits in the 'recent changes' list specific to each workgroup.
I think I've done over 140 people now, about a third of the absent editors (all Natural Sciences workgroups, plus Engineering). So far not much luck coaxing many people back, but I have tried the 'hook' of pointing out that they have public bios here that they might at least like to update. I have personalised the template I've been using to point to the workgroups of which they are members... this takes quite a bit of time and ideally is something a robot should do, but we don't see many robots around here these days. There are certainly people labelled 'inactive' who have been editing in the last few months; this could be fixed by a robot, but I lack the technical skill to run one. John Stephenson 14:43, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
That is something I have seen working with the "Special Pages" - in some cases the lists are not updating on anything like a regular basis. Maybe there is a central problem to do with CZ statistics not updating regularly - sounds like one for the tech team. David Finn 14:51, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Helping to understand Japanese phrases

"このときの歩行速度は時速0.5km にも満たない"

Hello. I tried really hard to find out what the walking speed of the E0 prototype was. I'm afraid that the sentence above states "at the time it was really difficult to reach 0.5km/h" rather than saying "E0 walked at 0.5km/h." Do you know what it means? Thank you. (Chunbum Park 03:48, 22 November 2011 (UTC))

My Japanese is really not very good, but I think it means 'At this time, the walking speed was less then 0.5km per hour'. John Stephenson 13:56, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Yes, the walking speed "did not reach 0.5km/h". --Daniel Mietchen 14:34, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Thank you. (Chunbum Park 13:10, 7 December 2011 (UTC))

EC

Hey John, I have nominated you for the EC election. I don't think there is any mechanism for you to know that without research or me telling you so here I am. You have a good overview of CZ past and present and some good ideas about its future so I hope you will consider accepting the nomination. David Finn 09:20, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you and I will certainly take the nomination very seriously. John Stephenson 05:06, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Referenda

Should the discussion be here or there? David Finn 13:52, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

What about on the Talk pages for the referenda subpages? John Stephenson 14:20, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Suits me! David Finn 08:40, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you!

Indeed. I've been in college so things were busy. Time flies and I have a semester left to graduate. Hope I will have more time soon to edit this encyclopedia. Yi Zhe Wu 05:01, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Messed up adding quotes to Welcome Page

John, I tried adding quotes #s 50 & 51 to Welcome Page, but somehow messed up, as Welcome Page now shows no quotes.

Will you rectify, and explain what I did wrong.

Thanks. Anthony.Sebastian 19:29, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

There were some 'nowiki' tags next to the 'mod' value. Fixed now. John Stephenson 00:19, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, John. I saw the tags, but gave them no attention, possibly because quotes had been appearing before I opened the editor to add my quotes. It's a mystery to me how and when those tags got there. Anthony.Sebastian 16:15, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


Pompeii

Hi, I just wanted to say thanks for adding related articles to the Pompeii page. That's one less thing to do! Richard Nevell 12:06, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

No problem. :) John Stephenson 11:27, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


Picture of George Fox

It would be really helpful to know the provenance of the picture of George Fox. I have developed the stub article on him, but am reluctant to add the picture without knowing more about it. It appears to be an imaginative reconstruction rather than derived from an actual portrait. The latest biographer of Fox (Larry Ingle) is reduced to using a "supposed" portrait extracted from a caricature of a Quaker meeting (as evidenced in a book by Rosemary Moore). The picture you have provided could conceivably have been constructed as a younger version of that image. --Martin Wyatt 19:24, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

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