CZ Talk:Creating an article with subpages/Archive 1
This archive of CZ_Talk:Creating an article with subpages was made on 3-31-2022
Clarification please
Clarification please...
- The actual metagpage is supposed to be in the
Template:
namespace, correct? - With regard to the actual metagpage, for some articles the "pagename" field and the "abc" field will be the same, correct?
This is not obvious, and I think should be explicitly stated. So, Mao Zedong's name is a chinese name, where his family name, Mao, comes first. So his two fields are the same.
- Obviously articles about people with western style names, where the surname comes last, should have different values for these fields.
- Well, for nautical vessels, should we just go with what make sense, or is there a style guide?
- Wikipedia's disambiguation page lists: HMS Discovery (1600), HMS Discovery (1651), HMS Discovery (1692), HMS Discovery (1719), HMS Discovery (1741), HMS Discovery (1774), HMS Discovery (1789), HMS Discovery (1800), HMS Discovery (1874).
- So, their abc field would say something like: "Discovery, HMS (1741)", or "Discovery, HMS, (1741)", or "Discovery, HMS, 1741". Someone just trying what makes sense could pick any of those three...
- If subpages are to be used some are more or less essential, while others are optional?
- Article's specific talk page is not considered optional. It should exist, even if all it should contain is {{subpages}}, correct?
- The Definition subpage is optional, but if it exists its first line should be <noinclude>{{subpages}}</noinclude>, correct?
- The optional Related article subpage, if it exists, should also begin with <noinclude>{{subpages}}</noinclude>, correct?
- When I first started using subpages here, I thought they were a good idea. Then, when I started an article under a slightly wrong name, and created all the metapages for it, before I realized the name was wrong. I know someone, eventually, created a way to move the article, and all its subpages. But I can't remember how it is done.
- The guided form used to offer a list of approved templates. I always struggled to figure out which categories to use for articles I thought should belong to the non-existent Transport category. Could a transport category be allowed?
- There was another template,
Template:Creditline
. It also required creating a new template for each image where the same credit should appear on all images. But {{creditline}} had to be explicitly put in the images caption.Is it also old? Should I consider it deprecated?
Cheers! George Swan (talk) 16:27, 26 March 2022 (CDT)
Underscores
Underscores for spaces are filled in automatically in the main URL, so they just need to type the article name after https://citizendium.org/wiki/. John Stephenson (talk) 05:51, 30 March 2022 (CDT)
Instructions
We could put the instructions on how to create a cluster further towards the top, with more detailed explanation below. Also, including {{subpages}}} is the most important point. I'd put them in the order 2-4-1-3. John Stephenson (talk) 05:54, 30 March 2022 (CDT)
comments
I took a look at today's edits.
- You referred to the standard subpages as articles in this sentence "Each of the five articles above must have the {{subpages}} template as their first line." I think you meant "pages" or "subpages"...
- I think "Gerald Form" must be related to Gerald Ford.
- People who can't figure this out - we want them to feel okay about not using subpages, correct?
- The old form that automated filling out the metadata page is too old to work properly, after the upgrade. Have I got that right? So, what language(s) are these forms written in? George Swan (talk) 17:20, 30 March 2022 (CDT)